Americans of reddit, how large of a protest would it take to get healthcare reform?

Americans of reddit, how large of a protest would it take to get healthcare reform?

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  1. There are multiple factors involved with maintaining the current healthcare system:

    * lobbyists from healthcare and insurance companies

    * Congress members receiving large donations from the lobbyists

    * Citizens who continue to vote for Congress members who accept donations in exchange for votes.

    The only way for healthcare reform to take place in today’s political climate is to convince the citizens of enough states to vote against their declared political party.

    Assuming everything else remained the same, we’re looking at upwards of 10-15 flips, which is about 5-7 states.

    As an additional point to consider, the fact that hundreds of thousands of citizens have died over the past year has been deemed to be fake news makes it even less likely that there will be enough voters willing to flip their votes to benefit the country.

    With how much power some states wield when it comes to making decisions that affect the nation, there is no number that will result in healthcare reform.

  2. It depends on what you mean by “reform.” I’m guessing you mean something like universal medical insurance coverage (like in France) or universal healthcare (like in the UK).

    Something like 8 or 9% of people in the US have no health insurance. Of that, a significant portion are people who could be on Medicaid, but haven’t enrolled.

    Another way of putting it is that more than 90% of people are covered, or could be covered if they enrolled.

  3. No idea, too many people are opposed to universal healthcare or even Medicare expansion (forgetting that this has been Medicare’s purpose from the get-go).

    And the issue has been politicized even though previously it was the right who were proposing similar reforms. The main reason they’re opposing it is because it came from the left, so they can’t agree with it on principle

  4. In the US, we have allowed the health insurance companies to become too big and powerful, and now we’re *fucked.* The only way we could have a sane universal healthcare plan like, say Canada’s, is if we burned the insurance companies to the ground *first.* But that’s upwards of a trillion dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs. Ain’t gonna happen.

    The ACA or something very much like it is the *very best* Americans can hope for, at least in lieu of a significant amount of blood and flames.

  5. It’s not about one big protest, it’s about all of us collectively coming together to educate ourselves, then educating our friends and loved ones. Do your work on the ground day in and day out and we will make big changes. Radical changes come in waves and most movements are long, dull, and slow. This is why we must stay active. KNOW what you believe in.

  6. For politicians to take direct action to disregard the healthcare corporation lobbyists and restructure the industry, several things would have to be true:

    1. The politicians would have to see this position as the best way to get re-elected *and* worth losing the money and privileges coming in from the healthcare lobby. This is why people like AOC are vocal about the subject – she has no corporate healthcare ties and her political brand is based on progressive populist messaging. But one or two Representatives in Congress do not make legislation by themselves.
    2. The only way politicians will feel this way is to have substantial protests in *many* states. Consider the succession of BLM events throughout 2018-2019 – nothing less than that scale will do, and likely it will need to be greater. Polling suggests that between 15 and 25 million people attended at least one BLM event. That’s about 5% of the US population, even though roughly 40% of the US is non-white (not saying it was only non-white folks protesting, but as an illustration of the population affected vs those in protest it can be useful context). Since ~80-90% of the US population have at least tolerable healthcare under the current system, it could be hard to gain enough groundswell of folks who find the current situation unacceptable. You have to have enough people who have “OK” healthcare now ready to go to bat for the much smaller group who don’t. And this is pretty hard to do in this country, because…
    3. American attitudes about who “deserves” care need an overhaul. Attitudes about “merit” and “worthiness” tie heavily into the way ideas about universal social structures are debated. There is an undercurrent back to the foundation of the country that pushes a “work or starve” narrative and always fights to reduce or eliminate programs that help the needy on the grounds that “someone” might cheat the system and receive a free sandwich that they “don’t deserve”. As long as this attitude remains entrenched in enough places to give the conservatives filibuster power, they can stop almost anything from happening, so…
    4. The US legislature either needs a large shift in power that can overwhelm party political polarization, or sufficient rules change to stop a minority within the government from overriding the will of the majority. Consider that right now exactly **one** senator (who represents 0.5% of the US population) could potentially tank the entire US infrastructure bill even against the wishes of 70% of the country (per polling), because the people really don’t have a mechanism to oust him and he and his family own too much oil stock to accept the environmental policies.

    So what will it take? At least 20-30 million people on the streets specifically in the conservative states to force those legislators to either accept that this is their way to maintain power or push them out (but the momentum would have to last years to reach the different election cycles).

    ***AND*** none of that will actually write new policies, which have the chance to end up as hamstrung half-measures and/or put millions of people out of work because they’re part of the current healthcare system.

  7. The reason healthcare isn’t working here is because the government can’t negotiate for better prices for healthcare goods and services, so the [cost is enormous](https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/ohnonono/viz/USbudget/Spendingon65andVeteransishigh). The people can’t compete. This is exaggerated, but if you offer $2 for a bandaid, and the government offers $400, you lose. To establish healthcare, we would need to remove the 2003 healthcare modernization act, dismantle medicare and medicaid, and let the market adjust before issuing new legislation.

    The cost of fixing it is abandoning our poor and elderly to die, and Americans will **never, ever** bow to that.

  8. Just don’t vote republican and we can all have healthcare like every other industrialized country in the world. Also we would also take meaningful action about climate change. We’d get through the covid crisis with less loss of life.

  9. I mean, over 60% of Americans support universal healthcare, but it obviously isn’t going anywhere. Insurance companies will kill people before they lose that cash cow.

  10. No protest would work. The only way would be to vote out politicians that take money from insurance and pharmaceutical companies and vote in those that are for tax-paid health insurance.

  11. It will never happen. There are too many people committed to the current system, and it doesn’t really matter how many people get involved in an attempt to change it.

  12. It’s not about size, its about whether or not it makes media headlines. You can have 50,000 citizen protest but if the media isn’t there to cover it, it never happened.

  13. It doesn’t need a large protest it needs a total overhaul of the US healthcare system with strong bipartisan support and there’s way too many fingers in the pie for this to happen.

  14. It will never get anywhere because the people who work in the industry will not allow it.

    I wonder how many nurses in the US are willing to make $35,000 a year? (median salary of $73,300)

    How many general practionors doctors in the US are willing to make $75,000 a year? ( average Physician General Practitioner salary in the United States is $213,590)

    How many US surgeons are willing to make $100,000 a year? ( average base salary of $405,073.)

    Because that’s about how much nurses and doctors in Germany make. And before you use the cost of living excuse in Munich for example the average house will cost 850.000 euros and 3.5 million euros.

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