[Serious] Teacher here, if teachers are armed, what do you think their life expectancy is in the case of an active shooter situation? Both during the incident, but also once law enforcement arrives and finds them armed in an already chaotic and confusing situation?

[Serious] Teacher here, if teachers are armed, what do you think their life expectancy is in the case of an active shooter situation? Both during the incident, but also once law enforcement arrives and finds them armed in an already chaotic and confusing situation?

What do you think?

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  1. It’s a shit tier solution, half the teachers I know are women over 40 who’ve never held a gun in their life.

    Are we expecting the gym teacher to get his gun and run through the school hallways towards the sound of gunfire? Even if he is ex military he is going to be too late.

    99% of teachers are going to lock their doors and hope the gunman doesn’t try to shoot out the locks. Even if they have their own gun they probly don’t want to fire from within the classroom into the hall because that means leaving the children undefended by even a door if they go down and they aren’t likely to want to Rambo into a hallways with no cover so I seriously don’t even see what we expect them to do.

  2. I see it like this.

    An active shooter enters your classroom.

    Would you like to remain defenseless?

    Or would you like to have been trained, armed, and have the ability to shoot back before you and your students are killed?

    I think about this without being a teacher.

    There are criminals and nut jobs with guns.

    Do I want to remain defenseless? Or do I want to be prepared to defend myself?

  3. This sort of question frankly demonstrates a profound lack of critical thinking. We could debate the efficacy of arming teachers, but for the sake of discussion, let’s suppose that it’s what we decide to actually do. You’ve given teachers guns ─ now what? There is an inherent problem embedded in the question because of language like “what do you think their life expectancy is … one law enforcement arrives and finds them armed in an already chaotic and confusing situation”? The problem is that you’ve *only* given guns to teachers and then considered the problem solved.

    No. You still need to take additional steps. You need protocols. For instance, instead of *just* giving guns to teachers, you ought to also give teachers some sort of clothing item, such as a colored vest, that clearly identifies them as a friendly to responding officers. It is also important to make sure that they understand that creating a defensible position is their priority. They should not go *looking* for the shooter, especially when they don’t know where the shooter is, how many of them there are, what weapons they possess, or whether explosives and booby traps are being used.

  4. Depends on where you live and how white you are. It also depends on how much training the cops have had, how much adrenaline e they have coursing through them and how well they deal with it. And it also also depends on how easy it is to tell you are a teacher and not an active shooter.
    Have you considered throwing knives or combat hatchets instead?

  5. When people started talking about arming teachers I thought about all the teachers I had form grade school to high school and there was 13 of them I would dread if they brought and carry a gun to school. One of them choked a student. Now give him a gun.

  6. I think metal detectors and blast proof doors are cheaper than teachers that are also qualified/required to be an armed bodyguard.

    Thinking what’s expected in this situation should be pulling in $750k a year. And, I’d expect you to be armed with an armored-cop killer weapon, so you can pierce kevlar.

    I’d say you have a great chance of coming out on top.

    Just make sure you practice where you wait for the shooter without the kids watching, so the shooter won’t know ahead of time where you’d be at in case they actually plan like that.

  7. Personally see armed teachers as a bad solution. I would prefer that there would be more planning on securing the classrooms in an active shooter situation. Don’t really need a gun to defend a room that can be barrigaded properly. Obviously doesn’t really help the people in corridors, but then again having more bullets flying around from teachers trying to gun down the shooter(s) would be probably even worse option.

    Why just focus to defend you might ask. Well because every tough guy might think they would act in a heroic way in a really dangerous situation, weight on the wording “think”, but it isn’t easy to charge into a dangerous situations and even harder to actually function in those split second situations. Going all guns blazing into those situations would probably make it just way worse even if all the teachers were ex-soldiers with a lot of experience.

  8. If not a teacher, then maybe we should have some trained sniper in the opp building. Whenever the shooter enters the classroom, the sniper will shoot at him.

  9. With the proper training, a lot better than unarmed. Ofc if you do manage to take down the threat immediately tell authorities to minimise any risk of misunderstandings.

  10. Depends on a lot. If you have School resource officers you definitely need to heavily familiarize yourself with the teacher. Training scenarios would have to be done as often as possible. There needs to be communication between the teacher and police. At least a code word to let both the teachers and the police know not to shoot.

  11. Personally I think teachers should at least know how to use a firearm (not necessarily have one on them even if they don’t want one). But I also think they should also learn to work together and communicate with one another or the police in a situation like a school shooting if and/or when necessary.

  12. If you’d take the same training actual police officers take, you’d be much more efficient. You’d kill the kids and get shot by the gunman. Sure, you’d be dead, but you had the higher score. Win.

  13. Better than if they were unarmed, though in the worst-case scenario, only marginally so.

    I think the main benefit to arming teachers is deterrence. If a potential mass shooter knows the teachers at a school are armed, they’ll probably think twice about targeting that school.

    Of course, arming teachers brings other potential problems, like if one of the guns is accidentally discharged or stolen by a student. The latter of these could potentially be *really* bad.

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