Working class people who don’t support universal healthcare, why? by QuestionGuy August 25, 2022, 12:28 am Working class people who don’t support universal healthcare, why? What do you think? 12 Points Upvote Downvote AskAskMeclassdon'tHealthcarepeopleQuestion and AnswersupportUniversalworking See more Previous article What is one thing that should be posted on the wall of every single classroom? Next article TIL When a man in New York needed a heart transplant from a donor in Oklahoma, the hospital reached out to the US Air Force to help with transportation. The donor heart was transported across the country in two hours on an F-111 fighter jet. The operation was a complete success. 20 Comments Leave a Reply If it means I’m not paying $600 a month so my wife and I can see a doctor, only for the insurance company to deny me for some arbitrary reason, then yes. Log in to Reply Because why would the rest of the planets need healthcare? Log in to Reply I just hate it when people’s lives get easier. I am only happy if I can picture someone else having it way worse than me. Log in to Reply If I remember correctly Ireland has a vat tax of 16% which is much cheaper than premiums, co-pays, out of network, overages, denials, etc but gop has convinced people is bad Log in to Reply Because the conservative leaders told me not to dammit! Log in to Reply I feel like private health insurance CEOs making millions of dollars really gives me sometime to look up to and admire. I know that I’ll never be able to afford a yacht or several vacation homes, but knowing they can afford these things by charging me sky high premiums and denying my claims allows me to dream and imagine living their lives if luxury. Log in to Reply I support universal healthcare. I think a lot of people who say they are against universal healthcare are actually against the British style national single payer model, without realizing there are several ways of doing universal healthcare Log in to Reply Because my employer provides very good insurance for about 3% of my salary. I just had shoulder surgery and paid $0 out of pocket. The taxes charged on me for universial healthcare would be about 10% according to Bernies plan and my care would be inferior to what I currently have. Log in to Reply Because the US government has shown time and time again how operationally and financially inefficient it is. If you’ve ever used any government program like the VA, no I do not want the healthcare system run like that. Log in to Reply Because the taxes to support it would fall primarily on working class families causing even more families to live paycheck to paycheck Log in to Reply Healthcare can be described as the services, technologies and supply constrained by 3 things: Cost, Quality and Availability. Draw a triangle and label each side as such to imagine. In the US, we have quality (I mean, look at our innovations) and we have availability because whether we can afford it or not, the Doctors and infrastructure is there. We score loweron cost because the costs are out of control. Compare this to Canada to has better costs, close to the same quality but poorer availability. People wait for service up there longer than they do in the US. So then any **policy** change we make will move us around inside this triangle. We will never have it perfect. Look a the VA system, run by the government, and their point in the triangle will be low for availability. I don’t support universal healthcare because I believe there are easier and more affordable changes we can make to better control where this point is for more optimal healthcare solutions. Rx drug costs, expedited testing of new treatments, making HSAs available to anybody to save their own money tax free for medical stuff, and (this is a big one) major tort reform so Doctors aren’t making decisions based on how to minimize their risk of being sued. Too many expensive procedures are done as CYA.. Sorry I could go into each detail with great precision but suffice it to say the reasons above are why I don’t support it at this point in time. Log in to Reply [deleted] Log in to Reply Forgot to add, I’m talking about nationalised healthcare that minimises outsourcing like the UK used to have. Log in to Reply People abusing and causing problems because of that it is my biggest issue. I’m more of a fan of Healthcare programs that cover partial costs for free and then also regulating Healthcare and it’s related costs. Life saving medication as an example shouldn’t be as expensive they are and should be regulated Log in to Reply I can take care of myself and if I die it’s on me. To be fair, np family or attachments Log in to Reply This is a long one. U.S. health care spending grew 9.7 percent in 2020, reaching $4.1 trillion or $12,530 per person. As a share of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 19.7 percent. Now, imagine that being taken over by government. But they’ll just pay companies to cover you. And if they can save a dime, even if it hurts you, they’ll do it. England has government paid care. It’s rationed. No system can say yes to every desired treatment, in every context, at any price. All systems have to tell somebody no: Either providers cannot charge what they want, or patients cannot have what they want, or taxes are going to be much higher than anyone wants. https://www.vox.com/2020/1/28/21074386/health-care-rationing-britain-nhs-nice-medicare-for-all Staff shortages have forced one of England’s largest NHS trusts to start rationing chemotherapy to some of its cancer patients. Nottingham University Hospitals Trust is now limiting access to treatments for patients diagnosed with terminal cancer and those who are receiving treatments aimed at slowing the disease and buying them extra weeks or months of life. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-cancer-chemotherapy-delay-nottingham-b1925484.html So, let’s say your loving 57 year old daddy whose been the breadwinner and provider suddenly comes down with cancer. Oh lord no, not daddy. But wait! There’s life extending medication. But there’s a catch. Patients can spend anywhere from $1,000 to $20,000 annually on their treatment. According to the American Cancer Society, cancer patients paid $4 billion out of their own pockets for their treatment—but that does not indicate how many people paid or how much they paid individually. https://www.asbestos.com/featured-stories/high-cost-of-cancer-treatment/ Does Insurance Cover Chemotherapy? The short answer: yes, health insurance covers chemotherapy. In fact, insurance covers most cancer treatments that aren’t considered experimental. But chemo isn’t a single drug or treatment, and health insurance doesn’t cover everything. https://www.cancer.net/navigating-cancer-care/financial-considerations/health-insurance So, it depends on your wallet. Unless the government is in control, then it’s “Do I look good in black?” TL;DR We spend more, we cover many issues and we don’t deny treatment, but charge you up the ass, where the UK will let you die. Because they can. Log in to Reply I don’t want to pay the higher taxes. it is also harder to get into the ER because if it is free, why not just go for any little sickness? then, when someone really needs help, the ER is too overrun by people with a cold. Log in to Reply Because I don’t see it as an economically sound principal Log in to Reply I’ve dealt with TRIcare and if M4A is run like TRIcare… hoo boy, is everyone in for an unpleasant surprise. Log in to Reply Because WHO gets healthcare and HOW is not the issue. The COST of healthcare is the issue (~$2500 for a 5 mile ambulance ride, ~$800 for a few stitches, ~$15,000 to deliver a baby, ~$3000 for a broken leg, etc). And it will never be addressed in our lifetime because too many people’s paychecks are dependent on it NOT getting fixed. Log in to Reply Leave a Reply Cancel replyYou must be logged in to post a comment.